Words get in the way

ItBeThatWay27 · 09-03-2006, 02:21 PM

The lyrics "Just take my hand, to have and hold, if not obey" have had me thinking for a few weeks and I was thinking how clever Jewel is, because was it not too long ago that the traditional marriage vows got changed for some reason from "to honor and obey" to "to have and to hold"??

I was just thinking how clever Jewel is b/c she doesn't miss anything. And I was also wondering if anyone knows any more info on why the vows were changed? I tried searching wikipedia and found nothing. Does anybody know more about this?

Little Bird · 09-03-2006, 11:18 PM

Obey hasn't been part of wedding vows here for a long time. You can say it if you want to.

I didn't say it.

I think they are interesting lyrics. Makes me think Jewel really wants to get married. I think something is holding Ty back. At heart, Jewel is very traditional about marriage and has said before that Ty would have to ask her. She wouldn't ask him. I am not so traditional as I was the one that asked my husband to marry me.

ItBeThatWay27 · 09-04-2006, 02:02 AM

I think so too, I think she's waiting on him (Ty). WHAT THE HECK IS HIS PROBLEM?

Jeez Kiera ha ha I didn't know that! haha
how did you ask him?

Little Bird · 09-04-2006, 07:27 AM

I got fed up waiting. Had passed him a tonne of hints that were more than just hints. He didn't bite so I went to bed thinking about it. I couldn't sleep so I decided to wake him up and ask him. That way, I knew that he'd offer a truthful response coz he'd be too tired to think about it. He said yes. Next morning we discussed it and he asked if I was serious, when I said I was, he was delighted. 4 1/2 years later, we were married.

So Jewel is very patient if she has waited this long and still hasn't been asked.

Years ago she was asked in an interview when she and Ty were going to get married. Her response was 'When he gets around to asking me!!!' or something along those lines.

Sitdogboy! · 09-04-2006, 07:58 AM

Maybe "Ty" is too "Ty-ered" to start a family.

Well, they got a Jewel. They got a Ty. Name there child Belt and they got some pretty hot acssesories.

ItBeThatWay27 · 09-04-2006, 10:35 AM

When I look back at how I asked my wife, it wasn't very romantic and neither of us cared at the time, but now I wish I had done something better, but maybe in this century you get what you get....
We had already discussed it and we even looked online at some rings that she liked, so she knew it was coming.
I got the ring she picked out and we went out to this italian restaurant and well really she was in this terrible mood all night and I was like ehhhhh and we went back to my friends house where I was living at the time and it felt weird and I was nervous and timing seemed really bad so there it sat in my pocket..... then when I took her home that night, in front of her parents house, in the car, I pulled it out of my pocket and just handed it to her....
and she was excited and said you need to ask me something. So I asked her and of coarse she said yes, but it wasn't too terribly romantic. I wish now I had went all old fashioned and got down on my knee in a beautiful setting or something... but hey at least it wasn't at Mcdonald's or something ghetto like that....

lindawmn · 09-04-2006, 02:51 PM

I've personally never cared about all the trimmings that go with the process of getting married, from the engagement to the wedding. I guess I'm not a woman who puts a lot of stock in romantic details. I've been married almost 12 years and am still not terribly needy in that regard. I think it comes down to personality - some women are more traditional in this regard then others. My oldest son and I were watching Bridezilla last night and he said "Mom, are these women kidding???" I just cracked up. I wonder how much of that show is staged or are there really, truly women in the world that consumed with themselves?

L.

ItBeThatWay27 · 09-04-2006, 08:03 PM

YES THERE ARE. I see them all the time.... I know 1 or 2 also.. (luckily my wife is not in that category ha ha)

R*Philippines · 04-24-2007, 01:12 PM

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09-03-2006, 02:21 PM	#1
ItBeThatWay27 Gary, 'Disposable-Hero' Join Date: May 2006 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,242 Rep Power: 0	Words get in the way The lyrics "Just take my hand, to have and hold, if not obey" have had me thinking for a few weeks and I was thinking how clever Jewel is, because was it not too long ago that the traditional marriage vows got changed for some reason from "to honor and obey" to "to have and to hold"?? I was just thinking how clever Jewel is b/c she doesn't miss anything. And I was also wondering if anyone knows any more info on why the vows were changed? I tried searching wikipedia and found nothing. Does anybody know more about this? __________________ so close no matter how far couldn't be much more from the heart forever trusting who we are and nothing else matters Last edited by ItBeThatWay27; 09-03-2006 at 02:22 PM. Reason: ??

09-04-2006, 02:02 AM	#3
ItBeThatWay27 Gary, 'Disposable-Hero' Join Date: May 2006 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,242 Rep Power: 0	I think so too, I think she's waiting on him (Ty). WHAT THE HECK IS HIS PROBLEM? Jeez Kiera ha ha I didn't know that! haha how did you ask him? __________________ so close no matter how far couldn't be much more from the heart forever trusting who we are and nothing else matters

09-04-2006, 07:58 AM	#5
Sitdogboy! Super JKF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: St. Louis Missouri Posts: 572 Rep Power: 0	Maybe "Ty" is too "Ty-ered" to start a family. Well, they got a Jewel. They got a Ty. Name there child Belt and they got some pretty hot acssesories. __________________

09-04-2006, 10:35 AM	#6
ItBeThatWay27 Gary, 'Disposable-Hero' Join Date: May 2006 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,242 Rep Power: 0	When I look back at how I asked my wife, it wasn't very romantic and neither of us cared at the time, but now I wish I had done something better, but maybe in this century you get what you get.... We had already discussed it and we even looked online at some rings that she liked, so she knew it was coming. I got the ring she picked out and we went out to this italian restaurant and well really she was in this terrible mood all night and I was like ehhhhh and we went back to my friends house where I was living at the time and it felt weird and I was nervous and timing seemed really bad so there it sat in my pocket..... then when I took her home that night, in front of her parents house, in the car, I pulled it out of my pocket and just handed it to her.... and she was excited and said you need to ask me something. So I asked her and of coarse she said yes, but it wasn't too terribly romantic. I wish now I had went all old fashioned and got down on my knee in a beautiful setting or something... but hey at least it wasn't at Mcdonald's or something ghetto like that.... __________________ so close no matter how far couldn't be much more from the heart forever trusting who we are and nothing else matters

09-04-2006, 08:03 PM	#8
ItBeThatWay27 Gary, 'Disposable-Hero' Join Date: May 2006 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,242 Rep Power: 0	YES THERE ARE. I see them all the time.... I know 1 or 2 also.. (luckily my wife is not in that category ha ha) __________________ so close no matter how far couldn't be much more from the heart forever trusting who we are and nothing else matters

09-03-2006, 11:18 PM	#2
Little Bird Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wicklow, Ireland Posts: 6,178 Rep Power: 10	Obey hasn't been part of wedding vows here for a long time. You can say it if you want to. I didn't say it. I think they are interesting lyrics. Makes me think Jewel really wants to get married. I think something is holding Ty back. At heart, Jewel is very traditional about marriage and has said before that Ty would have to ask her. She wouldn't ask him. I am not so traditional as I was the one that asked my husband to marry me.

09-04-2006, 07:27 AM	#4
Little Bird Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wicklow, Ireland Posts: 6,178 Rep Power: 10	I got fed up waiting. Had passed him a tonne of hints that were more than just hints. He didn't bite so I went to bed thinking about it. I couldn't sleep so I decided to wake him up and ask him. That way, I knew that he'd offer a truthful response coz he'd be too tired to think about it. He said yes. Next morning we discussed it and he asked if I was serious, when I said I was, he was delighted. 4 1/2 years later, we were married. So Jewel is very patient if she has waited this long and still hasn't been asked. Years ago she was asked in an interview when she and Ty were going to get married. Her response was 'When he gets around to asking me!!!' or something along those lines.

09-04-2006, 02:51 PM	#7
lindawmn JKF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 46 Rep Power: 222	I've personally never cared about all the trimmings that go with the process of getting married, from the engagement to the wedding. I guess I'm not a woman who puts a lot of stock in romantic details. I've been married almost 12 years and am still not terribly needy in that regard. I think it comes down to personality - some women are more traditional in this regard then others. My oldest son and I were watching Bridezilla last night and he said "Mom, are these women kidding???" I just cracked up. I wonder how much of that show is staged or are there really, truly women in the world that consumed with themselves? L.

04-24-2007, 01:12 PM	#9
R*Philippines I jewel everyday. Join Date: May 2005 Location: MANILA,PHILIPPINES Posts: 900 Rep Power: 0	Visit the jewelkilcherforum youtube group for the video of this song. __________________ Stay COOL !!! RY Last edited by RPhilippines; 05-05-2007 at 07:01 AM.*