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Old 05-25-2005, 03:02 AM   #1
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Did Mad TV push the Jewel parody too far ???

Well, I reckon.... yep... they did.

As far as the ASPCJ is concered the criteria is simple...
we just ask this simple question:

"Would the person being satirized think it funny ???
(Assuming the celebrity has a sense of humor of course)

Sure, I laughed along at some of Mad TV's 'Intuition' send-up too...
I love Mad TV as much as anyone.

But I reckon Mad TV missed the mark...
they leaned too heavily on the word "prostitution".
And... some of the scenes were pretty hard hitting....
like Jewel bent over flashing her arse... and...
the blow-up doll section was totally un-funny.
So yeah... mostly the video was just plain crude.

'Saturday Night Live TV's Funhouse' animated send-up of
Jewel's poetry was the funniest parody I've ever seen...
nothing short of totally brilliant.

Sure, the whole deal is subjective and yeah... the ASPCJ ain't
the most popular Jewel site on the planet. But maybe Mad TV
pushed the parameters way past the max.

So... does anyone here think that Jewel might not have found it funny ???


Easy... Justin ;)


(Umm... how come I've got this unnerving feeling that I've dug my own grave here?) :(
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I'm shocked. The ASPCJ thinks a parody has gone too far? Where is the Intrepid Prez and what have you done with him?! :bunnyjump:
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I thought it was really mean. Even people I know who hate Jewel's music said it was probably too mean. My ex-girlfriend even said that even though she hates Jewel she's still not as slutty as a lot of the other singers out there.
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OK, I agree it was mean. It does have funny parts though. It's over the top, but it really is nicer than some of the things people have said in the forums since 0340 came out. I've heard quite a few people use the term "sell out" - not that I ever agreed with them. I hear it said over and over that Jewel made 0304 and the videos that went with it as a "parody." If she did was there a motivating factor behind it - as in did the record company put pressure on her to sex up her style? That could be a primary motivating factor to produce an album that pokes fun at the idea that a woman has to show skin and dance "sexy" in order to sell music today. If it is a parody on Jewel's part then it's so interesting that she decided to do it in order to make fun of it. It's either a parody or it's to sell albums. It's hard to see it as both. I'll sell lots of albums because I'm sexy, but I'm really making fun of you for buying my album because I'm sexy. It's like a cheesy line from a Star Wars love scene.

Jewel went over the top on the videos for 0304 - think of the fire hose and tell me that's not stretching the envelope of folk/pop to the limit. A Mad Parody seems to push the envelope of good taste because Jewel already pushed it to the limit herself. I had problems telling my twenty something year old stepdaughter that I still liked Jewel after the 0304 videos first came out. I specifically remember her saying "I didn't think she was like that." Well neither did I, but so be it. She's still just as talented as she ever was, but more than a few fans were left scratching their heads. Any artist can do whatever they want to do, but fans like them for what they have done in the past. There is risk whenever you make a major departure from your previous work. If you are lucky you win new fans while keeping the old ones happy. In the case of 0304 it was a partial success. Jewel gained new fans, but she lost some old time ones. All is not lost though because artists can "return to their roots" and the old fans will likely be back in full force, but it takes hard work. If her next album contains polka yodling it may sell well in parts of europe, but it will be a hard sell to today's urban music loving youth.

I'm not wanting to make this into another 0304 hate thread. I don't hate 0304. It's not my favorite album, but it has some songs I really like. I also enjoy hearing them live as solo acoustic versions. Jewel has one of those voices that does not need a lot of fancy dance beats in order to sound good. There are many artists that can't sing (does Ashlee Simpson come to mind) who would have no career at all if they didn't hire a bunch of top notch instumentalists to back them up.

And another thing...I have never agreed with making fun of Jewel's teeth. I like Jewel's teeth just like they are.
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Old 05-26-2005, 04:09 AM   #5
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It's over the top, but it really is nicer than some of the things people have said in the forums since 0340 came out....
You gotta be kiddin, Mike...
explain again your Christian values... I must have misses 'em ???

1. The Jewel satirist simulates oral sex with a 'JewelSicle'.
2. "Full Relief $50" flashes with blaring red lights.
3. So does the sign: "Hot Piece of Ass $20".
4. So does the sign: "Erotic Massage With Jewel".
4. Some guy spanks her ass... then grabs her tits and shakes 'em.
5. Then Jewel is shown how to simulate a screwing motion by a guy with a blow up doll.
6. The guy grabs her thighs and tries to spread them while Jewel is lying on the floor.
7. Jewel is then taken to be stood against a wall like a common prostitute.
8. Jewel takes her first trick from a fat, balding guy who waves a fistful of dollars.
9. Two guys with a blow-up doll simulate a homosexual threesome.
10. Some guy with his face inches from her arse shows us how jewel can flash her butt like tramp.
12. Jewel is then seen handling the blow-up doll herself.
13. Jewel then grabs her own tits.
14. She then promotes TroJewel condoms.
15. Jewel then mimics 'screwing a guys arse' while the guy makes out with his homosexual mate & the blow-up doll.

For crying out loud, Mike... this Mad TV parody is f**k!ng disgusting.

Tell us... what EXACTLY does it take (in your opinion) for satire to be off limits.


There's nothing on the ASPCJ website that can be associated with
any of that kind of VULGAR BULL:censored::censored::censored::censored: !!!

or ever will be.




Easy... Justin


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My defense of Mad TV was only meant as a parody of people who think everything Jewel does is right. I'm surprised you didn't see the irony.
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(Just kidding)
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Originally posted by Intrepid Prez@May 25 2005, 10:09 PM

You gotta be kiddin, Mike...
explain again your Christian values... I must have misses 'em ???

1. The Jewel satirist simulates oral sex with a 'JewelSicle'.
2. "Full Relief $50" flashes with blaring red lights.
3. So does the sign: "Hot Piece of Ass $20".
4. So does the sign: "Erotic Massage With Jewel".
4. Some guy spanks her ass... then grabs her tits and shakes 'em.
5. Then Jewel is shown how to simulate a screwing motion by a guy with a blow up doll.
6. The guy grabs her thighs and tries to spread them while Jewel is lying on the floor.
7. Jewel is then taken to be stood against a wall like a common prostitute.
8. Jewel takes her first trick from a fat, balding guy who waves a fistful of dollars.
9. Two guys with a blow-up doll simulate a homosexual threesome.
10. Some guy with his face inches from her arse shows us how jewel can flash her butt like tramp.
12. Jewel is then seen handling the blow-up doll herself.
13. Jewel then grabs her own tits.
14. She then promotes TroJewel condoms.
15. Jewel then mimics 'screwing a guys arse' while the guy makes out with his homosexual mate & the blow-up doll.

For crying out loud, Mike... this Mad TV parody is f**k!ng disgusting.

Tell us... what EXACTLY does it take (in your opinion) for satire to be off limits.


There's nothing on the ASPCJ website that can be associated with
any of that kind of VULGAR BULL:censored::censored::censored::censored: !!!

or ever will be.




Easy... Justin


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so where u saying it was wrong to put in on my site...u guys did request it afterall - i only went with your lovely wishes!
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Old 05-26-2005, 06:27 AM   #9
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Originally posted by Intrepid Prez@May 25 2005, 09:09 PM

You gotta be kiddin, Mike...
explain again your Christian values... I must have misses 'em ???

1. The Jewel satirist simulates oral sex with a 'JewelSicle'.
2. "Full Release $50" flashes with blaring red lights.
3. So does the sign: "Hot Piece of Ass $20".
4. So does the sign: "Erotic Massage With Jewel".
4. Some guy spanks her ass... then grabs her tits then shakes them.
5. Then Jewel is shown how to simulate a screwing motion by a guy with a blow up doll.
6. The guy grabs her thighs and tries to spread them while Jewel is lying on the floor.
7. Jewel is then taken to be stood by a wall like a common prostitute.
8. Jewel takes her first trick from a fat, balding guy who waves a fistful of dollars.
9. Two guys with a blow-up doll simulate a homosexual threesome.
10. Some guy with his face inches from her arse shows us how jewel can flash her butt like tramp.
12. Jewel is then seen handling the blow-up doll.
13. Jewel then grabs her own tits.
14. She then promotes TroJewel condoms.
15. Jewel then mimics 'screwing a guys arse' while the guy makes out with his homosexual mate & the blow-up doll.

For crying out loud, Mike... this Mad TV parody is f**k!ng disgusting.

Tell us... what EXACTLY does it take (in your opinion) for satire to be off limits.


There's nothing on the ASPCJ website that can be associated with
any of that kind of VULGAR BULLSH*T !!!

or ever will be.




Easy... Justin
You are of course 100% right. MadTV's parody shocking, vulgar, twisted, disgusting, perverted, and any other number of adjectives. I will not watch it again at all. It is an insult to Jewel and her fans. And like I said it makes fun of Jewel's teeth, which is what really p*ssed me off. Jewel's teeth are her trademark. Just look at Jennifer Gray. She gets a nose job and "bam" there went her career. I don't want that to happen to a nice girl like Jewel! And calling her a prostitute was not real nice either.

Still after saying all that I still cannot resist commentary on your post. Nothing below this line is necessarily serious, but some of it is. WARNING: The following is serious info mixed with satire and should not be taken seriously by anyone especially Justin. Please use you ASPCJ decoder ring to discern the fact from fiction. It makes no sense, but here it is anyway...

1. The Jewel satirist simulates oral sex with a 'JewelSicle'.

Sick. And it mocks dessert which is my favorite part of any meal.

2. "Full Release $50" flashes with blaring red lights.

Yea that's way too cheap. They charged over $200 just to meet Jewel backstage.

3. So does the sign: "Hot Piece of Ass $20".

That's another insult. That's too little even if she were for sale.

4. So does the sign: "Erotic Massage With Jewel".

In most US states you need a license to massage. Jewel would never massage without a license. She's not that kind of girl.

4. Some guy spanks her ass... then grabs her tits then shakes them.

Yea, that guy didn't look anything like Jewel's manager at all. He's way older and bald.

5. Then Jewel is shown how to simulate a screwing motion by a guy with a blow up doll.

Sick and twisted. Blow up dolls are only for the perverted adn I really mean that.

6. The guy grabs her thighs and tries to spread them while Jewel is lying on the floor.

Psst. That's not Jewel.

7. Jewel is then taken to be stood by a wall like a common prostitute.

Too much like a hip hop video.

8. Jewel takes her first trick from a fat, balding guy who waves a fistful of dollars.

Were those American or Australian dollars?

9. Two guys with a blow-up doll simulate a homosexual threesome.

Did you want to update the sodomy thread, Justin? I think you held back the last time you mentioned homosexuality. Not that I disagreed with you per se.

10. Some guy with his face inches from her arse shows us how jewel can flash her butt like tramp.

And he doesn't like a doctor.

12. Jewel is then seen handling the blow-up doll.

I have nothing left to say except more of the same.

13. Jewel then grabs her own tits.

A terrible act of self realization.

14. She then promotes TroJewel condoms.

Seriously the worst Jewel promotion idea ever.

15. Jewel then mimics 'screwing a guys arse' while the guy makes out with his homosexual mate & the blow-up doll.

Guys shouldn't kiss. Especially on TV.

If it wasn't so late I would never have posted this...
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so where u saying it was wrong to put in on my site...
u guys did request it afterall - i only went with your lovely wishes! MICHAEL
Nope... it wasn't wrong to put it on your site...
and... yep, I did request it... much appreciated, Michael.

I'd never seen it before... that's why I was asking for the video grab.

I've been a fan of MAD TV forever... and I've never seen them
(or any other satirical show) take to someone so savagely.

That skit wasn't good satire... nor bad satire...
cos it wasn't even satirical comment at all.

To depict Jewel as a street prostitute
(along with the other vulgar suggestions)
was bordering on (and... could indeed be considered)
blatant defamation !!!

Even Christina doesn't deserve that kind of treatment... no-one does.


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